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Posted By : sandy Posted On : Feb 08, 2018
Subject :The Karnataka Police Trophy
For The Karnataka Police Trophy ..

I have to Choose one Disappointed Horse so far, Which has to be Scored.. Atleast at this Level.

HAEDI'S FOLLY - 4 Times Failed favorite. A Big Disappointment for its Pedigree.

In the Last Run it was Finished 4th Carrying the 60 kgs + Y.S. Srinath 56 Kgs Weight..

Now it was entered with 53 Kgs + IRVAN SINGH 50 kgs weight.

A Drop of 7 + 6 = 13 Kgs.. Should Atleast Make it to Winning Post..
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  godzilla said ... On : 2/10/2018 11:56:55 AM
sandy

I remember you guys played Rochester 20,000/- at 20/1. Then you said the particular Bookie refused to settle the account.

What is your contribution in the 20K. honestly ? How the entire episode happened - describe from the begining, whose contribution is how much - who talked to the Bookie and get confirmed the bet ? What is your role in the entire episode ?

  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/10/2018 9:18:06 AM
Sandy please understand the purpose of this site is to help each other against race fixers as seen in bng .though I had switched off my lap top but was horrified to see last race on the piping hot fav lose.

Please we will all certainly help you. Take my case no book for the last 3 months since stuck at home. I made money you know why playing only one or two races, a mission impossible had I gone to the race course.

Take Mys a 9 yr old last race of his life [the presenter kept on repeating] wins !
Today I find races are being run as if there is no tomorrow.to make money

Good luck to you .and best wishes let by gone by bygones

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 7:15:32 PM
Dear stop fooling punter,

Thank you for your catch. Ill take it in a positive way..

Sorry for the Generic Statement.Most of them could be Genuine Tipsters, if not all.

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 7:09:18 PM

Dear Pocket Jacks,

yes you are correct, may be i got confused with the India Race Race Card Heading it says "Class 4 / Horses Rated 30 to 50"

Thank you for your Advice !

ADMIN

Noted our mistake, Now is rectified.
 


  Pocket Jacks said ... On : 2/9/2018 6:23:23 PM
Dear Sandy,

You do realise what's a class race right, It's a class III race not class iv as mentioned by you.. and apart from Racing fire none of the horses were demoted.. A horse which has run a class III with 60kgs will not run class iv with the same weight.. clearly you lack basic knowledge, You may be an avid learner but this learning will cost you your peace, family, Friends and some big bags of gold.. its still late, leave racing

  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/9/2018 2:06:07 PM
Dear A forward , he writes a general statement.

''I see many persons here writing giving tips for all races selecting 2 to 3 horses without any reason [atleast thy know the basics]

DO'NT THEY HAVE GUTS To TO RIGHT probably [meant write] IN HT .

Such is his level of thinking

  Forgot_racing said ... On : 2/9/2018 1:33:10 PM
It s class 3 race not class 4. So only racing fire is demoted.

  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/9/2018 12:49:36 PM

Sorry stand correctd it is the 4th race which is no whip race
I d o not have a book.
I stand by S.STONE and I am putting my money on it.that is what matters not simply shooting in the air. I ma hefy plus inMUM


  Arsenal forward said ... On : 2/9/2018 12:47:39 PM

Raj - original and Stop fooling punter

He is still a beginner , try to rectify his mistakes rather then criticising.


  kumar_blore said ... On : 2/9/2018 12:33:40 PM
@sandy,
Open a thread on handicapping methods or visit the guest section of indiarace you will find some topics on it.....
That should help you....

Most of the runners in your chosen race are speedy customers,I feel Lawrence of Arabia has decent chance but tracks aren't impressive so I might take a small chance on hanko.best wishes

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 12:03:51 PM

Dear godzilla

Thank you for your Valuable Suggestions.

I will follow you people for some time to get some knowledge and will do my home work before commenting on something.

May be its too early for me to Start a Thread or Write up in HT.

Thanks for Advice.


  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:48:09 AM
Sandy in stead of keeping quite now you are finding fault with so many who give their choices
One advice better quit racing

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:42:11 AM
Dear Stop fooling Punter

"Sandy once again home work not done. It is a no whip race.I hope you understand the meaning

L.O. Arabia and C romance will fight it out.Any one can also win so no bet in this race"

Where Its Mentioned its a No Whip Race ?
(4. (58) The Ullal Beach Plate - (About) 1200 metres. Horses rated 00 to 20 to be ridden by Indian Jockeys claiming allowance (Whips not allowed))

That is Race No 4. we are talking about Race no 5 Isnt it ?

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why are posting Race no 6 Tips here ?

As per me 3 horses based on last run.

Smile stone was seen moving the fastest .

Silver ikon the only horse from this progeny to be in Class one other than HYD.

Sibhohan ran well but too many times only 2nd

Tracking well but report said to be under pressure.

So my bet rs 1000 place and rs 500 win on Smile stone
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How should i take your knowledge here buddy..

  godzilla said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:41:21 AM

sandy

Before your long write ups in HT, move with senior and knowledgeable punters and acquire adequate knowledge on the following:

1. Handicap
2. Pedigree - Long distance stayer - miler or sprinter
3. Performance in Terms Races - Class allotted and subsequent runs
4. Track Work - In case of Bangalore Outer Sand - Mumbai/Pune - Inner sand - Hyderabad Sand Track. The last 600 metres clocked is important.
5. During actual Races the last 200 mtrs clocked and the distance win is important.
6. Actual Race - Bend position of the Horse - position at Winning Post.
7. Whether the horse won with ease - plenty on saddle - or thoroughly urged/whipped to win a Race.
8. Hidden Horses.

You will have to learn so much before writing in HT.


  Zeddzzz. said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:23:41 AM
The Race Iz In Between :-

Noahs Ark // Chemical Romance n Aeisir.

H F, No Chance.

All The Best.
Take Care.

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:23:13 AM
Dear Raj-original, SFP, godzilla, Acrobat and few more..
who are criticizing me, yes beginners make a mistake,

I am an avid learner, atleast im not blindly giving tips like many people do, for each and every race and at every center.

I see many people giving tips for all races selecting 2 to 3 horses in a race. with out any reason. they just keep on posting the tips.
dont they have guts to right in HT??
ofcourse your experience could be 30 to 40 years in Racing..
if there is a mistake you should guide the new Beginers in right way.
Enlighten them with your knowledge.

My Journey to Horse racing is Just 2 years. im still learning the things here.

Atleast im not a gambling Addict to blindly follow some and make or loose money..
Knowledge sharing is a Bliss.. Some people in HT are just to wait for the opportunity and ready to Hit the people with critizing words..

  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:22:58 AM
Sandy once again home work not done. It is a no whip race.I hope you understand the meaning

L.O. Arabia and C romance will fight it out.Any one can also win so no bet in this race

  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:13:02 AM
As per me 3 horses based on last run.

Smile stone was seen moving the fastest .

Silver ikon the only horse from this progeny to be in Class one other than HYD.

Sibhohan ran well but too many times only 2nd

Tracking well but report said to be under pressure.

So my bet rs 1000 place and rs 500 win on Smile stone

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 11:08:22 AM
Can a Horse can win the Race on Straight Demotion ?

Just a Thought

RACING FIRE - Demoting from Class 3 at 54.5 to class 4 at 60 kgs.
long layoff of 11 3/4 lengths

NOAHS ARK - Demoting from Class 3 at 53 to class 4 at 59.5 kgs.
won by 1 length

SPOT LIGHT: Demoting from Class 3 at 58.5 to class 4 at 59.5 kgs.
6 1/2 from the Winner

MINT: Demoting from Class 3 at 58 to class 4 at 59 kgs.
1 lt from the Winner at 1200 meters and 1 1/2 at 1200 meters.

DONNA ROSSA: Demoting from Class 3 at 57.5 to class 4 at 58.5 kgs.
4 3/4 from winner at 1400 mts and won with 54.5 at 1200 mts

HANKO: Demoting from Class 3 at 57 to class 4 at 58 kgs.
2 lghts from winner at 1200 mts

CHEMICAL ROMANCE: Demoting from Class 3 at 55 to class 4 at 57.5 kgs.
won by 3 leghts in 1200 mts at 54.5

AEISER: won the Maiden Race at 56 kgs by 1 lt, now coming with 57.
Running after long time last was in July 2017

AUSTRALIS: Demoting from Class 3 at 56 to class 4 at 56.5 kgs.
won at 1200 meters at 54.5 by 2 lenghts.

LAWRENCE OF ARABIA: Demoting from Class 3 at 54 to class 4 at 55 kgs.
came 4th at 1200 mts at 55 with 4 3/4 lts from winner

MALAWI: Demoting from Class 3 at 54 to class 4 at 54.5 kgs.
5 1/4 lts from the winner at 1200 meters.

HAEDI'S FOLLY: in same Class 4 run at 60 kgs, now coming with 53 kgs.
31/2 Lenghts from lts from the winner at 1200 meters.
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When i calculated timings wise. haedi's folly
for its first run it clocked 1:15.86 at 53 kgs.
on Jan 20 has clocked 1:14.29 at 60 kgs at 1200 meters. (Improved)
Currently with Reduction in 7 kgs doesnt it make difference to clock the best timings.

Out of the above Bunch best clocked timings in old results are

MINT has clocked 1:11:13 at 53 kgs (now coming with 59 kgs)
AEISER has clocked 1:12.69 at 56 kgs (now Coming with 57 kgs)
CHEMICAL ROMANCE has clocked 1:12.73 at 54.5 kgs (now Coming with 57.5 kgs)
SPOT LIGHT has clocked 1:12:12 at 53 kgs (now Coming with 59.5 kgs)

Let me know your Thoughts on it.

  Raj-original said ... On : 2/9/2018 10:14:29 AM
Unbelievable!!! You have guts to right in HT.

  sandy said ... On : 2/9/2018 10:02:12 AM
Dear All,

Sorry for My Ill Knowledge on Weight Scales..
Im Still a learner in this Aspect..
Thank you very much for Educating me on Weight Scales..
Will Thoroughly Educate myself on Handicapping and Weight Scales.

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As per the weights is concerned for this horse now its dropping to 53 kgs
But still i feel its a Good Hope to Strike it. I mean Earlier it was Ridden by Irvan singh at 56.5 kgs for 1400 meters and lost 1 1/4 lengths.

Now Distance got Reduced to 1200 Meters with reduction in 3.5 kgs in the same class. cant we consider this Horse ?

  stop fooling punter said ... On : 2/9/2018 9:04:25 AM
GODZY YOU correctly taken him to task Why doe some write here without any racing knowledge.
Ye s horses have wt. varies between 350 to 500 kgs

IN every and every center clearly the horses wt.[plus or m nus Is also shown] Than the wt of Jockeys getting allowance or over WT Mys had one such one such case so does Bng with Allan.the trainer decides on it.
No where does any one says what you have written

Clearly you have not been seeing or hearing the paddock march of horses,
God save racing and us from such punters

  santoshkumar vk said ... On : 2/9/2018 8:38:54 AM
Sandy,
Your Pick is really good,
But only make sure to back this horse in the absence of FALSE RAILS,irrespective of the rider.
Certainly not today for WIN.(Railing fixed at average width of 8 Meters from 1600 Meters to win post from its original position.)
Regards

  godzilla said ... On : 2/9/2018 7:15:17 AM
sandy

My goodness. You have thoroughly exposed your poor knowledge in Racing as far as Scales are concerned.

The weight [handicap] of 60kgs or 53 kgs, includes Jockeys weight. Thats the reason the Jockeys are thin and maintain to fit in the handicap.

You are calculating Jockies weight, handicap and arriving at your own calculation. You just see the handicap printed against each horse and play without using your brain. That would be better.

Look at Mr. Shroff, how thin he was as a Jockey and how he looks now as a Trainer.

You have not even thought where will they place the 60 kgs or 53 kgs in addition to Jockeys weight on a horse as per your statement ?

  sportyy said ... On : 2/9/2018 3:10:39 AM
Dear Sandy

Came across your article on Haedis weights calculations
And thought to add my two cents as per my knowledge

Horses never carry weights + jockey weights plus their own weights
If like that each an average horse weight 550 kgs would have to put up with total
550 + 60 + 56 kg ( srinath ) total 666 kgs

Horses carry given weights in your example
Say if a horse is weighing avarage 420 kgs - he/she will add
60 ( weights ) kgs + Ys srinath 56kgs -Which ever is higher in this case 60 kg -so jockey weight 56 + 4 kilos carrying weight added in saddle --
420 ( Horse weight) + 60 (Jockey & handicap weight) - total 480 kgs

Today your horse Haedi's folly is handicapped at 53 kg ( carrying weight ) + jockey weight 51kg Irvan singh -- so net 53kgs - 51 kg is jockey weight plus 2 kgs added weight in saddle .. Total 53 kgs

Haedis folly weight from it last run will be
Last run - 60 kgs
today 53 kgs - its running only 7kgs lower from its last run on 20th jan


Handicap weight today is 53kgs ( but jockey weight is 51 so they will add 2 kilo weights in saddle )
Hope it helps

Sportty

  Ali said ... On : 2/9/2018 2:44:27 AM
Dear Sandy
Do you actually think horses carry100kgs plus.
60 kgs is total weight that the horse carry with the jockey .

  Zeddzzz. said ... On : 2/9/2018 1:09:14 AM
The Race Iz In Between :-

Noahs Ark // Chemical Romance n Aeisir.

H F, No Chance.

All The Best.
Take Care.

  mohan said ... On : 2/8/2018 11:48:41 PM
good follow up. thanks. I will follow this tomorrow.

  Acrobat said ... On : 2/8/2018 11:42:17 PM
Sandy,
I am sorry to say that you do not know anything about racing from what I have read in your mail. Please educate yourself before you invest your hard earned in races.